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		<title>Condoms for Children</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 04:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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A swiss company has begun manufacturing and marketing a condom targeted to 12-14 year old boys, called the Hotshot.  Jane loves the idea.  Dan hates it. Have a listen and decide for yourself.

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<p>A swiss company has begun manufacturing and marketing a condom targeted to 12-14 year old boys, called the Hotshot.  Jane loves the idea.  Dan hates it. Have a listen and decide for yourself.</p>
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		<title>Benevolent Neglect or Parent of the Year?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 20:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
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Jane says&#8230;
In the last few weeks, in response to various heinous mommy crimes I&#8217;ve committed, I have been the recipient of The Look.  You know&#8230;The Look that is part raised eyebrow, part firm set of mouth, and part slight head tilt?  The Look that says, &#8220;You are a bad parent.&#8221;
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<h2>Jane says&#8230;</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-jane/"><img title="about Jane" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/jane_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a>In the last few weeks, in response to various heinous mommy crimes I&#8217;ve committed, I have been the recipient of <strong>The Look</strong>.  You know&#8230;The Look that is part raised eyebrow, part firm set of mouth, and part slight head tilt?  The Look that says, &#8220;You are a bad parent.&#8221;</p>
<p>1)  I let my elementary school aged son read all the Diary of A Wimpy Kid books.   Apparently the books are so subversive that my 8 year old is now going to be forever corrupted.  OR maybe it&#8217;s just superfantastic with me that the kid is reading of his own volition books that  accurately depict the kind of frustration all kids feel because life seems arbitrary and out of their control.  So either my kid is screwed from the word go because I don&#8217;t censor his reading or he&#8217;s learning to love reading for pleasure and is discovering one of the great joys of literature &#8211; learning about the universalities of the human condition.  Besides, if he doesn&#8217;t get used to books about middle schoolers acting snotty, how&#8217;s he going to handle  <em>American Psycho</em>, which I just ordered for him off Amazon?</p>
<p>2)  Same kid: not in a booster seat.  The law is 8 or 80 lbs.  Neither of my kids is going to weigh 80 lbs. until college at the rate they&#8217;re going; they are skinny little buggers.  Just like the knowledge of what the evolving power of a certain Pokemon may be or that the art teacher is actually a witch, the law governing when a kid is liberated from the confines of a car seat is popular playground conversation.  That boy woke up the morning of his 8th birthday and the first words out of his mouth were, &#8220;<em>I don&#8217;t have to sit in a car seat anymore!!!!</em>&#8221;  And I totally get that.  It&#8217;s a rite of passage.  Less significant than, say, a bar mitzvah or first misdemeanor arrest, but it counts.  Anyway, I got the full-on Look for that one.  As though I were riding around town on a Ducati with the kid balancing on the handlebars all the time <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">because really in actuality I&#8217;ve only done that three or four times</span>.  Plus.  If you&#8217;re reading this and you are over 22?  Chances are you didn&#8217;t sit in a car seat for most of your childhood and yet, you seem to be fine.<br />
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<p>3) My daughter eats one fruit or vegetable a day.  And sometimes that &#8220;fruit&#8221; comes in the form of a roll up.  &#8220;If you just serve it to her and don&#8217;t give her anything else until she eats it, eventually she&#8217;ll get hungry enough and then she&#8217;ll discover she likes it.&#8221;  Nice try, Mommy Nazi.  You know not whereof you speak.  For one thing, my daughter would starve herself just to give you the metaphorical finger if you tried to make her eat anything she didn&#8217;t want to.  For another thing, if you&#8217;d like to come live in my house during her adolescence after I&#8217;ve allowed my darling, perfectionist, control-freak, genius monkeychild to turn food into a battleground, be my guest.   I&#8217;m picking my fights, and this isn&#8217;t one of them.  Besides, she might only weigh 41 lbs, but dollars to donuts (because, hell, she&#8217;ll eat those &#8211; unless they have jelly in them because jelly is fruit-like) my 6 year old could hold her own in a fair fight with Dwayne the Rock Johnson.  Girlfriend is fierce.</p>
<p>4)  My husband and I went for a run and left them home alone.  This one got me the full two eyebrows up and mouth formed into an &#8220;O&#8221; whilst air was sucked in audibly.  That&#8217;s right.  I left them home alone for half an hour.  Oh.  My.  God.  And when I think of all those times that child predators and violent rapist Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses came to the house and tried to get in and maul my children only to be stopped by me at the door saying, &#8220;Sorry!  Mommy&#8217;s here!  Go away, please!&#8221; it&#8217;s a miracle they survived the experience.  Get a grip, people, would you?  They know the cell phone number (and for the love of god they called me three times in that half hour span mostly to bitch about the fact that they were fighting over the remote) and aren&#8217;t incapacitated or clueless enough not to get to the neighbors if they needed anything that very moment.</p>
<p>5) And speaking of cellphones&#8230;I dropped one of the anklebiters off for a playdate the other day and the mother came chasing after me as I backed out of the driveway, &#8220;Wait!  Wait!  I need your cellphone number in case of emergency!  And you didn&#8217;t tell me if she had any food allergies!&#8221;   It&#8217;s a miracle that the entire adult population in the world today made it past age 11.  Our parents didn&#8217;t have cellphones, yet miraculously, adults responsible for our care when we were away from home managed to not kill us without the ability to reach out and touch someone.  And the food allergy thing is  getting out of control.  If my kid had a fatal allergy to something, do you think I might have forgotten to mention it?  Or even, that I might have taught my little sweetpea not to eat the DeathFood?  I got a notice from  kindergarten at this year telling me that a kid in the class was allergic to, I shit you not, snow peas and shitake mushrooms, so I shouldn&#8217;t send those things in for snack.    Damn it!  I was totally planning on sending in snowpea and shitake mushroom smoothies laced with vodka and Xanax for my daughter every day.</p>
<p>6) Next year, my third grade son and my first grade daughter will be walking home from school.  On their own.  I got The Look for this plan, too.  Because do I not know?? Am I not aware???  Walking home from school with crosswalks, crossing guards, and the busiest of busybody neighbors and parents all around them is akin to shooting them each out of a cannon over shark infested waters.   I walked to and from school, with the neighbor kids, starting in first grade.  And every day after that until my parents finally tired of my shenanigans and sent me off to boarding school where god only knows I did far more dangerous stuff than cross the street without someone holding my hand.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I do worry about:  the stuff that is actually dangerous, like head injuries from not wearing a helmet while biking, not knowing how to swim, and trying to pull a strange dog&#8217;s tail.   Children are no more in danger of abduction or predation now than they were 20 and 30 years ago. Violent crime in this country is on <a href="http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2009prelimsem/table_3.html" target="_blank">the decline</a>.   My daughter will not get scurvy.  If my kid hurts herself or gets sick during a playdate, I&#8217;m sure that the adult supervising her will figure out that a phone call to information will reveal magical information like my home phone number or, barring that, a doctor&#8217;s phone number, or perish the thought, 911.  If I don&#8217;t have faith that my kids can learn how to walk 1/3 mile in broad daylight down the sidewalk from school to home, how on earth do I expect them to learn the really important stuff, like not to mix liquor and beer.  Oh lighten up&#8230;you know what I mean.</p>
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<h2>&#8230;but Dan thinks&#8230;</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-dan/"><img title="about Dan" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/dan_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a>Before I get into the topic at hand, I want to make sure a few things are made clear to our audience.  First and foremost, I don&#8217;t want some of the things Jane said above to be interpreted as a disengaged parent rationalizing her sometimes &#8220;hands off&#8221; style.  Jane is very handsy.  I mean, if you check <a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/2010/02/01/mad-as-a-hatter.aspx">here</a> and <a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/2009/12/06/cant-lego--birthday-momzilla.aspx">here</a> and even <a href="http://wednesdayspaghetti.blogspot.com/">here</a> (and even the crutches to Haiti thing she helped her kids do, that she never mentions to anyone unless she has to), it&#8217;s clear that she&#8217;s engaged.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s not nibbling on Ho-hos, wearing a wife-beater, watching Springer.  For better or worse, there needs to be no mistake &#8211; her parenting choices were not the result of the search for a path of least resistance. They were conscious choices.</p>
<p>Jane and I, just in the course of the many phone conversations we&#8217;ve had, have talked about our kids loads of times.  She thinks I&#8217;m too protective, but she stops short of calling me a helicopter parent.    </p>
<p>And she&#8217;s taken my breath away with the stories she&#8217;s recounted for me of the freedoms she gives her kids.  The examples she gave above are among the many I&#8217;m aware of, and are perfect for this discussion.  </p>
<p>Leaving your children home alone.  Our house is so hard to find that the only trick-or-treater we&#8217;ve EVER had at our house in six years was an employee of mine bringing over his daughter at the last minute.  People can&#8217;t find us when they WANT to find us.  If we left our kids alone, doors open, invitations at the end of the driveway for criminals to stop over, nothing would happen.  But we still don&#8217;t leave them alone.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the criminals I&#8217;m afraid of.  How many of you have young children that choke on their food with any regularity?  Do your kids know how to do the Heimlich maneuver?  Even if Jane&#8217;s kids knew it, they&#8217;re tiny.  They could probably Heimlich a photograph of a child, but not a living, breathing one.  So if Jane&#8217;s out on a run and one of the kids is at home, choking?  Nobody gets there in time to prevent brain death.  Apply the same logic to stairs.  Swingsets.  Household chemicals.  Gasoline.  Power tools.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t even address the food, because I know there&#8217;s no convincing Jane.  Here&#8217;s what I know &#8211; It takes SuperNanny half an hour, once a week to get someone&#8217;s kids eating the right foods and behaving.  And she pronounces her th&#8217;s like f&#8217;s.  It can&#8217;t be fhat hard.</p>
<p>Jane&#8217;s right about car seats.  All of the kids who didn&#8217;t die in car accidents and grew up to be healthy adults and are reading this blog are probably thinking &#8211; what&#8217;s the big deal?  Well?  6,000 kids die every year in traffic accidents.  Seat belts didn&#8217;t used to be mandatory years ago, either.  Those rules and laws aren&#8217;t put in place to make height-challenged kids feel like shit, they&#8217;re there because there&#8217;s empirical evidence that they save lives.  Jane is risking safety for what she hopes is a future reward of independence or confidence (that is tied to a seat in a car, which is not unlike wearing the hot jeans or the cool kicks, but that&#8217;s another discussion about esteem for another time).</p>
<p>Jane makes her kids wear dorky helmets while skiing.  Who dies skiing, other than that one famous chick and Sonny Bono?  Being safe in a car, where 6,000 kids a year lose their lives, seems valid enough a reason to make the kid endure another year of a booster chair.</p>
<p><img src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/kid_drawing.jpg" alt="Kill, Kill, Kill!" title="Kill, Kill, Kill!" width="275" height="198" align="right" />Last week I took the younger of our two dogs in to be euthanized. We had about a day or so to prepare our children.  We didn&#8217;t sugarcoat.  We didn&#8217;t say he was going to take a nap.  Or be delivered to a place where he could run with other dogs.  We said the word: die.  Mortality is pretty heavy, especially for a little kid.  I won&#8217;t pretend to know anything about Wimpy and his books that Jane&#8217;s son is reading.  American Psycho?  I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;d choose it for my kids, at that age, but if he&#8217;s mature enough to handle it and not end up bringing artwork like this home from school, then I don&#8217;t see the harm.  It&#8217;s far less intrusive on the psyche of a child than the death of a family member, furry or otherwise.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I think parenting is an endless string of gambles. Measurements of risk versus reward.  The media with it&#8217;s sensational bent makes it hard for people like me to decipher where the real risks are, and the rewards can be so nebulous and distant from today&#8217;s in-the-moment parenting decision that I can see how it might cloud my judgment, opting for safety right now (don&#8217;t climb the big kid monkey bars), possibly at the expense of some additonal fraction of self-confidence later (don&#8217;t march into the boss&#8217;s office and demand a raise).</p>
<p>I think Jane takes some unnecessary risks.  I&#8217;m sure she thinks I take unnecessary precautions.  The problem is, we won&#8217;t know who was right for another 15 years.</p>
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		<title>Bullying the Cyber Bullies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
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Podcast
Dan and Jane discuss the ongoing case of 9 teenagers charged in the suicide death of a classmate.  You can read about the story here.
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<p>Dan and Jane discuss the ongoing case of 9 teenagers charged in the suicide death of a classmate.  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/TheLaw/teens-charged-bullying-mass-girl-kill/story?id=10231357" target="_blank">You can read about the story here</a>.</p>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">WARNING: </span> Dan says fuck in this one.  Kind of a lot.  Headphones is what we&#8217;re saying, people.</p>
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<p><small>Dan&#8217;s note: Dan tells Jane to shut up during this podcast.  Dan was using it as a dramatic tool, to try to cajole Jane into taking a firmer stand on an issue.  But now Dan feels like a tool for saying it.  Dan asked Jane, and Jane said she was OK with leaving it in the podcast.  It needs to be clearly noted that Dan has ASSLOADS of respect for Jane (though it appears, not enough to not call it &#8220;assloads&#8221;), and that Dan in no way meant to demean or diminish Jane&#8217;s opinion in the matter.  Dan and Jane know each other pretty well, and we call each other names frequently over the phone and in email, and pretty much every other chance we get.  So for us, it wasn&#8217;t a big deal.  But it might be for you, when you hear it.  So Dan thought you needed to hear the back story.</small></div>
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		<title>Homeschool or Old School?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
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Home is where the heart is, not where the school is.
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<h2>Home is where the heart is, not where the school is.</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-jane/"><img title="about Jane" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/jane_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a>Disclosure:  I am a public school teacher.  I was, previously, a private school teacher.  I have taught kindergartners and I have taught college students.  I am also kind of smart, which may or may not be evident from what you read here.</p>
<p>There is a very famous bloggy person whose blog name rhymes with The Flyin&#8217; Ear Flommen who homeschools her children.  When Dan and I raised the possibility of writing our opinions about homeschooling, I went <a href="http://thepioneerwoman.com/homeschooling/2008/10/yes-im-a-homeschooling-freak-of-nature/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">there first </a>to see what she had to say about it.  Plus, since where The Flyin&#8217; Ear Flommen goes, commenters by the truckload follow.  And that&#8217;s much easier research than the tedious real kind. </p>
<p>And what I found there supported what my gut told me.   <em>And everybody who has already decided that you disagree with me (I&#8217;m looking at you Pam D and Nutmeg) take a deep breath and stick with me.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/homeschool_cartoon.jpg"><img src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/homeschool_cartoon_sm.jpg" alt="One other thing homeschoolers don't seem to understand?  IRONY." title="One other thing homeschoolers don't seem to understand?  IRONY." width="180" height="243" align="right" /></a>Most of the people who homeschool their kids do it for reasons that have nothing to do with providing the best educations for their kids.  In fact, most of the time people choose to homeschool, they are doing so in order to fulfill a need of their own, and not any of their kids needs at all.</p>
<p>If you have a child with a disability so serious that finding a school to meet his/her educational and psychosocial needs is an impossiblity, then homeschooling is a valid option.</p>
<p>If you live so far from the school that your child would spend an unreasonably long time commuting to and from school to the detriment of that child&#8217;s physical, emotional health or balance and well-being of the family, homeschooling is a valid option.</p>
<p>If sending your child to a dangerous or substandard public school is the only option for your family because of economic hardship, homeschooling is a valid option &#8211; of course this means that an adult is sacrificing work, and therefore earning, time to be home educating the child/children.</p>
<p>Otherwise.  Send your kids to school.  You don&#8217;t like the district you&#8217;re in?  Move.  You can&#8217; t move but you don&#8217;t like what or how the curriculum is being taught?  Get involved.  It is the responsibility of every citizen of this country to support public education. It has always been in the best interest of every American citizen to have a well-educated populace.  You don&#8217;t like the schools?  Think beyond your own kitchen table and consider that one day you might be depending on one of those people attending the school of which you disapprove to fix your car, fill your teeth, or prepare your tax returns.  At the risk of getting all hoity toity up in your grill, Gandhi said, &#8220;Be the change you wish to see in the world.&#8221;  You don&#8217;t like what you see?  Change it.  And not just for yourself, but for all of us.</p>
<p>Anti-homeschoolers argue that homeschooled children miss out on a ton of valuable socialization.  Homeschoolers argue that this is nonsense because their children are exposed to lots of people through the course of the day. Frankly, I think this particular issue is a wash.  Six of one.</p>
<p>But.  Not everybody can teach.  If you&#8217;ve ever had a shitty teacher, you KNOW that&#8217;s true.  Parenthood, and an intimate knowledge of your kid and your kid&#8217;s learning style and temperament doesn&#8217;t automatically qualify you to teach.  Most reasonably intelligent and motivated people could do the research and background work to learn what they need to in order to convey the facts, the data, the processes, the equations, the terminology, the basic skills that teachers convey.  But to say that this is all school does is shortsighted and just plain wrong. </p>
<p>School settings create environments in which students can do two things: </p>
<p>1)  establish their own identities, as is developmentally appropriate and natural, separate from their parents and families of origin.  That separation and subsequent emotional growth is thwarted when the student doesn&#8217;t have as many opportunities for self-exploration outside of the family circle.</p>
<p>2)  learn how to think, communicate, behave, and relate to people in groups, even and especially when members of a particular group &#8211; including, sadly, teachers sometimes &#8211; are objectionable, dumb, and not especially nice.</p>
<p>Unless there is a really good reason to keep your children at home, and unless you are willing to devote a huge amount of time to the work of teaching your kids (Most people underestimate how much time and energy teachers spend in preparation and response in a regular education classroom setting with a determined curriculum. Planning an alternative curriculum tailored to a student&#8217;s individual needs while still maintaining the state standards is a massive undertaking.  You cannot work outside the home and homeschool.) you are doing a disservice to your children and to your community and to all of our futures by homeschooling.</p>
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<h2>Teaching takes patience, not rocket science.</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-dan/"><img title="about Dan" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/dan_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a>I will agree with Jane on at least one point in this debate:  She IS smart.  From what she tells me she always got excellent grades and she sports an Ivy League education that she downplays at every opportunity (including this one, most likely).  She&#8217;s quick on her feet and can process certain kinds of complex issues really quickly.  </p>
<p><img src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Amy_Northcutt2.jpg" alt="Hot Teacher Bangs Student" title="Hot Teacher Bangs Student" width="120" height="180" align="right" />But I&#8217;m also kind of smart.  I&#8217;m not sure how our intelligence is relevant to this discussion, but Jane brought it up, so I feel I should make mention of it, too.  My IQ has been tested at genius levels.  There, I said it in public.  However?  It should be noted that no quantity of IQ can prevent every stupid decision or bad conclusion.  Jane and me included.  And now, on with the show.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t homeschool my kids.  But when we considered our options, homeschooling was one of the choices on the table.  The negatives aren&#8217;t nearly as bad as Jane suggests, and there are some impressive positives that even I wasn&#8217;t aware of.</p>
<p><img src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/amymcelhenny1.jpg" alt="Hot Teacher Bangs Student, Part II - With a Vengeance" title="Hot Teacher Bangs Student, Part II - With a Vengeance" width="120" height="130" align="left" />But first, I&#8217;d like to remove from Jane&#8217;s argument the idea that you can get involved and make a difference if your student has a shitty teacher.  Jane belongs to the <strong>Teacher Mafia, Local 327</strong>.  Has your child ever had a terrible teacher <em>that&#8217;s been a terrible teacher for a decade and they just can&#8217;t seem to get rid of her?</em>  No level of involvement short of a <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10912603" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" Title="Hi, I'm Chris Hansen.  Why don't you have a seat over there.">Chris Hansen style sting</a> is going to get the school to act against a teacher by terminating her.  They&#8217;re unionized.  They&#8217;re tenured.  Short of getting caught <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=39783" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">having sex with a student</a>, there&#8217;s no way you can make a difference by getting a teacher to improve or be removed.  </p>
<p><img src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/CameoPatch2.jpg" alt="Hot Teacher Bangs Student, Part III - Insatiable" title="Hot Teacher Bangs Student, Part III - Insatiable" width="120" height="115" align="right" />You totally guessed my next point, didn&#8217;t you.  <abbr title="And by 'studies' I mean shit I completely made up on the fly">Studies</abbr> show that less than one one-hundreth of a percent of homeschooled kids are ever sexually molested while in their learning environment.  Compare that to data from the <a href="http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf">US Department of Education stating that &#8220;nearly 9.6% of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.&#8221;</a>  <a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/fall-of-catholic-church/">Thank God the Catholic deaf kids in Milwaukee had to go to special schools, right</a>?</p>
<p><img src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/PamelaTurner1.jpg" alt="Seriously?  Can you keep your vaginas in your pants, please?" title="Seriously?  Can you keep your vaginas in your pants, please?" width="120" height="119" align="left" />On this next point, I have to concur with Jane.  She said &#8220;&#8230;an intimate knowledge of your kid and your kid&#8217;s learning style and temperament doesn&#8217;t automatically qualify you to teach.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t know about you, but to me that read a lot like &#8220;&#8230;being able to start every foot race with a 30-yard head start doesn&#8217;t automatically give you the blue ribbon.&#8221;  </p>
<p><img src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/marinelli.jpg" alt="I should have made a move on my Spanish teacher" title="I should have made a move on my Spanish teacher" width="124" height="144" align="right" />I mean, come on.  One-on-one teaching? Intimate knowledge of how the child learns?  Unquestionably greater desire and motivation to make sure the child gets the education s/he needs?  It&#8217;s true &#8211; all of that doesn&#8217;t mean a parent is qualified to teach.  Related: many of those who&#8217;d be awesome teachers don&#8217;t teach.  Also related: teaching is not brain surgery.  Only brain surgery is actually brain surgery.  I&#8217;ve looked through my Facebook.  Lots of dumb former classmates are now imparting their halfwit knowledge to our future generations as teachers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say this again:  I think Jane is not the norm.  She IS smart.  I know her kids love her.  And she kicks teaching ass.  And every kid who&#8217;s been in her classroom should feel fortunate to have been there.  But Jane&#8217;s not the norm.  She&#8217;s not even the <abbr title="Can I get a holla for a Cheers reference?">Cliffy</abbr>.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not going to bombard you with data.  But I will hit you with links where you can dig deeper, if you wanna.  The gist of the linkage?  <a href="http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200305/200305300.asp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The success of homeschoolers in national academic contests is enormously disproportionate to their numbers</a>, relative to traditionally schooled children.  <a href="http://www.nheri.org/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=171&#038;Itemid=47" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">They&#8217;re more than twice as likely to be actively involved in an ongoing community service activity</a>.  They&#8217;re more likely to attend college.  <a href="http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">In every objective measure</a>, homeschoolers test higher.</p>
<p>Devising a curriculum from scratch based on the needs of your child IS a big job.  So big that no teacher does it.  Not even Jane.  She does it for an entire class, not one student.  And in this beautiful free market society, there are organizations and companies dedicated to helping you, should you want to homeschool your child &#8211; and all for a lot less than what you&#8217;re paying in taxes for a public school education.</p>
<p>Oddly, Jane poo-pooed what I felt was her strongest argument: homeschooled kids may grow up to be social retards.  This is the only facet that I think is inherently dangerous in homeschooling a child.  This is the only non-no-brainer for homeschooling.  Only with conscientious planning and scheduling of socialization time can a parent be reasonably sure their child will learn to navigate their teenage years.  But it can be done.</p>
<p>You want to get involved?  Get involved with your local or state government.  Help to push an agenda that would allow homeschooled children to have checks cut to them, diverting funding that would have been spent on them in a public school, so their parents can use that $5-6,000 per year on their education.  THAT, Dan &#038; Jane readers, is what will spark change.  The Big Three auto makers were pretty fat and happy, putting substandard product on the roads, until the Japanese sat down to the table and started eating all their market share. Then there was change aplenty.</p>
<p>Contrary to what Jane says, the only disservice you do in homeschooling your children is not giving your kids the chance to get cyberbullied into suicide or ridden like a dollar pony at the county fair.  You&#8217;ve got to be smart and conscientious and willing to put in the time, but I have yet to meet a homeschooling parent that doesn&#8217;t already realize all of that going into it.</p>
<p><em>A great big thank you to Pamela Dayton at <a href="http://daytontime.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The Dayton Time</a> for providing me with data and links. Tongueless smooches your way.</em></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 00:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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There was a girl.  She liked a girl.  She wanted to take that girl to a dance.  But the school said no.  Kevin Bacon tried to help out, but in this version of the story, John Lithgow was way too powerful, and he cancelled the whole dance.
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<p>There was a girl.  She liked a girl.  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/12/earlyshow/main6292120.shtml" target="_blank">She wanted to take that girl to a dance.  But the school said no</a>.  Kevin Bacon tried to help out, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087277/" target="_blank">but in this version of the story</a>, John Lithgow was way too powerful, and he cancelled the whole dance.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what Dan and Jane think about it.</p>
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<p>How confident is Dan in his masculinity?  <a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/dan_in_drag.jpg">Here he is in drag, circa 1985.</a> Spoiler alert:  Have a hanky ready.  It&#8217;s gonna bring you to tears.</div>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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My son is eight and prefers showers to baths.  My daughter is six and takes about a month and a half in the tub, so often showering is more expedient and leaves us time for some other trivialities &#8211; like eating meals and occasionally leaving the house.  I loved [...]]]></description>
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<h2>Robert Graves Was Onto Something</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-jane/"><img title="about Jane" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/jane_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a>My son is eight and prefers showers to baths.  My daughter is six and takes about a month and a half in the tub, so often showering is more expedient and leaves us time for some other trivialities &#8211; like eating meals and occasionally leaving the house.  I loved giving my babies baths when they were, well, babies, but now it&#8217;s just a pain in the ass, so I&#8217;m perfectly happy for them to shower instead.  The only hitch in this is that they are both terrible at thoroughly washing and rinsing their hair.  My kids have a lot of hair.  Well, my son does anyway.  Think Troy Polamolu, but blond.  And 61 pounds.  <em>And without nearly that much hair</em>.</p>
<p><img src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/adam_eve_naked.jpg" alt="They were fine until someone made a big deal about it, weren't they?" title="They were fine until someone made a big deal about it, weren't they?" width="200" height="263" align="right" />So instead of reaching in and scrubbing heads and getting good and soaked anyway, and because we&#8217;re always short on time, a few times a week my husband or I ends up showering with one of the kids.   Except for the one time when my son was about 2, pointed to my crotch and said, &#8220;Uh oh.  It broken,&#8221; (thus proving once and for all that men are hardwired to assume that the penis is of central importance and the source of power to be guarded and protected at all costs) neither of them has ever said or done anything to make any of the four of us uncomfortable about our nakedness in the shower.  I wasn&#8217;t exactly thrilled when my daughter pointed out that I was fatter than her father, but I can&#8217;t really blame her for being an observant little <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">shit</span> girl, now can I?  <em>Yes.  Yes I can.  I will hold it against her until she is 17 and on her way out the door to the junior prom and then seek revenge in a way that only a mother can</em>.</p>
<p>I mentioned something like &#8220;we were talking while we were in the shower and&#8230;&#8221;  the other day and a friend of mine almost fell off her chair.  She was <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">semi-</span>cool enough not to say anything judgmental but was clearly rattled by the thought of my husband showering with his six year old daughter or me showering with my eight year  old son.  Hmmm&#8230;and then I was forced to think about whether this is OK or not.  Which I resent, because thinking is hard and makes my head hurt and takes time away from more important activities like trying to decide if I like the edges of brownies better and therefore should buy one of those weird shaped brownie pans or if I like the middle better, especially when it&#8217;s a little undercooked and smushy.</p>
<p>I did what any self-respecting parent would do, asked <a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/2010/03/25/three-for--thursday.aspx" target="_blank">a bunch of women who were drinking margaritas and eating tater tots and wearing bowling shoes</a> what they thought about parents bathing with their non-infant kids.  One woman out of the ten said it creeped her out and she&#8217;d never done it.  Everybody else sort of shrugged and said, &#8220;I dunno?  Does it seem weird?&#8221;  And the one whose kids I know the best so I can attest to how normal and cool and fun and smart and well-adjusted they are said that she&#8217;d wondered the same thing and asked around, too.  The response she got made perfect sense:  The kids will let you know when it&#8217;s weird.</p>
<p>Sometimes you ask for advice and the advice you get seems sort of kind of OK but doesn&#8217;t really fit.  This advice clicked into place in a very satisfying way.  It felt right and got to why I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a big deal to be naked around my kids.  Nudity does not equal sex.  Nudity does not even equal sexuality.  Assuming the connection of the two on my kids&#8217; behalf is weird.  Like all obscenity trials have demonstrated, obscenity or indecency is in the eye of the beholder.  And nobody here is beholding anything obscene or indecent.  We&#8217;re just showering.  And showering is something you do naked.  And naked is the way we all are under our clothes.</p>
<p>I reckon my kids will develop their own body image and self-concept issues without me adding the burden of making their bodies secret or potentially shameful.  In the meantime, at least everybody is clean.</p>
<div style="padding-left: 14px; padding-top: 13px;"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 16px; color: #3c605b;">The Naked And The Nude <span style="color: #000000;">by Robert Graves</span></span></div>
<div style="padding-left: 14px; padding-top: 20px; font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">For me, the naked and the nude<br />
(By lexicographers construed<br />
As  synonyms that should express<br />
The same deficiency of dress<br />
Or  shelter) stand as wide apart<br />
As love from lies, or truth from art.</p>
<p>Lovers  without reproach will gaze<br />
On bodies naked and ablaze;<br />
The  Hippocratic eye will see<br />
In nakedness, anatomy;<br />
And naked shines  the Goddess when<br />
She mounts her lion among men.</p>
<p>The nude  are bold, the nude are sly<br />
To hold each treasonable eye.<br />
While  draping by a showman&#8217;s trick<br />
Their dishabille in rhetoric,<br />
They  grin a mock-religious grin<br />
Of scorn at those of naked skin.</p>
<p>The  naked, therefore, who compete<br />
Against the nude may know defeat;<br />
Yet  when they both together tread<br />
The briary pastures of the dead,<br />
By  Gorgons with long whips pursued,<br />
How naked go the sometime nude!</p></div>
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<h2>&#8230;but Dan thinks&#8230;</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-dan/"><img title="about Dan" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/dan_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a>Poetry to back up nudism?  Whatevs.  This will be the shortest post I ever make on JYIS.  And I won&#8217;t even use my own words to make my point.  Here&#8217;s all you need to know:</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
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As is becoming routine lately, Jane&#8217;s dragging me into some of the darker corners of the internet. And then regretting doing it when I run off and play with all the new, slightly sketchy friends I make.
Like Twitter.
And two days ago?
Chat Roulette.
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<h2>Dan says&#8230;</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-dan/"><img title="about Dan" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/dan_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a><img title="I can haz boobz?" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/flash_boobs_plz.jpg" alt="I can haz boobz?" width="220" height="201" align="right" />As is becoming routine lately, Jane&#8217;s dragging me into some of the darker corners of the internet. And then regretting doing it when I run off and play with all the new, slightly sketchy friends I make.</p>
<p>Like <a rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/" target="_blank">Twitter</a>.</p>
<p>And two days ago?</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.chatroulette.com/" target="_blank">Chat Roulette</a>.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve never been to this website, here&#8217;s how it works:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a live video and text chat site. You hook up your web cam (a cam isn&#8217;t required to use the site, but people with cams rarely want to spend time with people without cams), agree to some <abbr title="like 'I agree I'm going to see LOTS of penises' ">terms</abbr>, then click &#8220;Play.&#8221;</p>
<p><img title="her: I drink beer.  me: Small world!  I'm from Wisconsin!" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/beer_girl_2_vsm.jpg" alt="her: I drink beer.  me: Small world!  I'm from Wisconsin!" width="200" height="190" align="left" />Within a few seconds a live video feed pops up of someone, somewhere in the world. It&#8217;s roulette, so you have no idea who it&#8217;ll be and no idea where they&#8217;ll be from. With that person or people you can text chat while you watch them on video, or talk to them with live audio, and it&#8217;s all in real-time. The site originated in Russia and is just now <abbr title="Foreshadowing?  Methinks so.">climaxing</abbr> in popularity in the United States.</p>
<p>And in this web-fueled era of HEY! LOOKIT ME! you can almost guess what you&#8217;d find on a site like this. Or maybe you can&#8217;t.<br />
Penises, Jane readers. For as far as you can throw a Johnsonville.</p>
<p>Ladies&#8217; Night exists at bars for a reason. Frugal men led by profligately spendy cocks will fill corrugated steel buildings and drop a small fortune on overpriced alcohol in the hopes of securing the affections of a woman for the night (or possibly longer). And this phenomena, this lottery odds&#8217; worth of disproportion of women who are looking for piggish men and the piggish men volunteering themselves to women is played out in disgusting, hilarious detail on chatroulette.com.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to bore you with this here, but I&#8217;ve created a page describing all the weird shit I&#8217;ve seen on Chat Roulette. It is staggering. <a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/chat-roulette-dirt/"> Click here to see <em>most</em> of it</a>.</p>
<p>Now I know Jane&#8217;s seen a bit of what Chat Roulette has to offer and I know she&#8217;s going to come out against it.</p>
<p><img title="Is rat your renis?" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/talking_dog_sm.jpg" alt="Is rat your renis?" width="200" height="176" align="right" />Me? I&#8217;m totally in favor of it. The tropical rain forest vaginas, the completely naked and flexing men, the talking golden retrievers. All of it. And here&#8217;s why:</p>
<p>1) Often it&#8217;s disgusting. Sometimes it&#8217;s polite and friendly. But it&#8217;s personal expression. You know, 1st amendment stuff? Do we really want to invite Big Brother in to start squashing personal freedoms because of one little website that is easily blocked from a browser? Should we start burning books again?</p>
<p>2) It&#8217;s superficial and harmless. Nobody is actually hooking up. Nobody is obligated to anything. You don&#8217;t like what you&#8217;re seeing, you click &#8220;Next&#8221; and get connected with the next random person. Like flipping through cable channels.</p>
<p>3) You can meet normal people from all over the world, too. I had a nice chat with a person in Chile. Right &#8211; where the earthquake happened. Do you know how to say &#8220;earthquake&#8221; in Spanish? &#8220;Terremoto.&#8221;</p>
<p>4) There&#8217;s nothing on this site that you can&#8217;t already find in a million other places on the web.</p>
<p>5) The site is extremely dangerous for kids. Wait. That&#8217;s not why I&#8217;m in favor of it. Please see above. The thing is, it&#8217;s called parenting, people. Last night I briefly chatted about former New York Rangers goalie Ed Richter (I&#8217;m a Red Wings fan) with what appeared to be a young man of about 14. In his room. Alone. On Chat Roulette. For a scant few seconds I saw a boy of about 10 with his little sister (5? 6 years old?) at a kitchen table, flipping through rotations of chatters. If you&#8217;re on the site for more than 3 minutes, there&#8217;s no way you don&#8217;t see at least one guy masturbating. And these kids are seeing that. But they can see that anywhere. I mean check <a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a> for fuck&#8217;s sake. Chatroulette isn&#8217;t bringing anything new to the table. As parents, we have to do our jobs and limit our kids&#8217; opportunities to see this.</p>
<p><img title="my response to dad feeding baby, both watching Chat Roulette" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/wtf_are_you_doing.jpg" alt="my response to dad feeding baby, both watching Chat Roulette" width="250" height="109" align="right" />6) It&#8217;s hilarious. It gives me an avenue to poke fun at people without consequence. Or be a parent when some other kid&#8217;s parents have abdicated that role. Or be a voice of reason TO a parent when they clearly have trouble exercising good judgement. (see the <a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/chat-roulette-dirt/">page of weird shit</a> I&#8217;ve seen)</p>
<p>7) All of it is easily fixable. That&#8217;s the most interesting part to me, and I would be surprised if this DOESN&#8217;T happen in the next 60 days. I run multiple discussion forum websites and they all require registration to participate. Chatroulette.com does not. Got webcam? Got internetz? Then you&#8217;ve got freakdom. Something as simple as requiring registration/login with IP address logging, following all <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.coppa.org/" target="_blank">COPPA</a> rules, and the problem goes away. Better yet, do all that, and then provide a place within the site that&#8217;s set aside for a freak-for-all, for the shaved, masturbating men and the very large, untrimmed, masturbating women.</p>
<p>This is nothing new. Just a new variant of the same old.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.comedycentral.com/tosh.0/" target="_blank">Tosh.1</a>, maybe. <strong>Now with more penis!<br />
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<h2>&#8230;but Jane thinks&#8230;</h2>
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<p>You have taken complete leave of your senses.  Aren&#8217;t you supposed to be the conservative in this relationship?  Or have you merely been been so scarred by what you’ve seen on ChatRoulette that you are no longer lucid.</p>
<p>1)Your first amendment argument is absurd.  Yeah.  Blocking ChatRoulette is akin to burning books.  On what planet, other than Planet I&#8217;ll Scroll Through Forty Naked Dudes Abusing Themselves Just For The Chance I&#8217;ll See Some Naked Hooters??  Kids are on the internet the same way kids watch TV.  Would you be making the same argument if, interspersed between SpongeBob and Hannah Montana was footage of naked old men getting their groove on?   You can&#8217;t even compare Chat Roulette to CABLE television, because Cable television represents a choice, a selection, an opt-in.  Your kids can&#8217;t get to cable if you haven&#8217;t provided it to them.  But if your kids go on a computer, they can end up at Chat Roulette.</p>
<p>2)  It&#8217;s not even little kids that concern me the most, because, ohdeargodsweetjjesusIhope, most parents aren&#8217;t letting their young kids hang out in front of the computer unsupervised.  It&#8217;s adolescents.  Adolescents aren&#8217;t developmentally or emotionally sophisticated enough to process an unfiltered stream of society&#8217;s worst doing its worst.  Ask any person over the age of 30 what ChatRoulette is and, unless they saw Jon Stewart last night, most of them will say, &#8220;Chatwha?&#8221;  Ask any kid under the age of 19 and chances are they&#8217;ll giggle and say, &#8220;Oh my god!  So gross but so funny!&#8221;</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-553" title="Why doesn't the hair on your palms match the hair on your head?" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/hairy_palms.jpg" alt="Why doesn't the hair on your palms match the hair on your head?" width="442" height="242" /></p>
<p><img title="ted_bundy" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ted_bundy1.jpg" alt="ted_bundy" width="220" height="169" align="right" />3)  It&#8217;s only a matter of time before some creepo on Chat Roulette identifies the location or affiliation with some young, giggling girl via sweatshirt, background, recognition of surroundings, SOMETHING.  And then what?  In addition to raising up a generation of young adults with confused and complicated and distorted impressions of sexuality we are now willfully saying, &#8220;Yep&#8230;it&#8217;s all out there&#8230;go find it!  Anything goes!  Hope the weirdos don&#8217;t find you first!&#8221;</p>
<p>4)  Dan, you’re a husband and a father and a brother and a son.  From what I know, although I may at another time and in a different situation claim otherwise for the purpose of winning an argument, a pretty terrific one of all those.  As a man, aren&#8217;t you remotely concerned that ChatRoulette is yet another way that men are revealed to be base, corrupt, and scary?  Obviously, not all men.  But out of the woodwork the creepers creep when the opportunity presents, and so far, by  my research <em>all three minutes of it before I started to feel unclean and threw up in my  mouth  a little bit</em>, a hefty percentage of those creepers are men.   As a mother of a person who will one day be a man, and as a wife of a man, and as a sister of a man, and as a teacher of young men, I am worried that men aren&#8217;t working overtime to protect their image on the internet.  Popular culture is working overtime to hammer home this disturbing and fundamentally untrue message: men are porn-addicted, violent-game playing, virtual affair having skankbuckets.   It’s in none of our best interests to let that happen.</p>
<p>5)  If you want to have a conversation with a person in Chile about the earthquake, go on Facebook.  Find a pen pal.  Call the Chilean embassy.  The anonymity coupled with the ability to dismiss someone based on a fleeting glimpse is a recipe for disaster.  If you should actually proceed far enough in one of these &#8220;chats&#8221; to have a &#8220;conversation&#8221; with someone, what was it that made that person the one you stuck with to try to converse?  What made them decide to try to converse with you?   Whatever it is, it&#8217;s not enough.</p>
<p><img title="melting_clock_dali" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/melting_clock_dali.jpg" alt="melting_clock_dali" width="180" height="195" align="right" />6)  What else?  Other than, GROSS GROSS GROSS, which is a pretty compelling argument, frankly.  Here&#8217;s what else:  it&#8217;s a time suck.  For people with addictive tendencies and bad computer habits, I ask you this:  Isn&#8217;t there something more productive you could do with your time?  Something that advances us as a culture instead of catering to and manipulating our baser instincts?<br />
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IT WAS A KILLER WHALE. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EXPECT??
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<h2>Jane says&#8230;</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-jane/"><img title="about Jane" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/jane_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a><img title="What're ya in for?" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/elephant_zoo.jpg" alt="" align="right" />I feel a little bit like that stand-up comedian who carries on about why you park in the driveway and you drive on a parkway, but I’m plowing through the cliché anyway.</p>
<p>IT WAS A KILLER WHALE. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EXPECT??</p>
<p>Anyone who has ever tried to contain a screaming toddler in an enclosed time-out space knows that attempting to keep wild things in captivity is a bad plan. Mother Nature is not a huge fan of the Zoo, or the Wild Animal Park, or the Sea World or Sea World derivative.</p>
<p>My dog is so utterly domesticated that she&#8217;s tried to sit in an easy chair and join in conversation during dinner parties.  On more than one occasion.  Nevertheless, that bitch still tries to bite my arm off if I make the foolhardy error of trying to take a hunk of rawhide away from her. Would you expect anything less from a tiger or lion or bear or predatory sea-dwelling mammal?</p>
<p>“But how do kids learn about animals if they can’t see them in zoos?” I’ve heard this before, and to those of you who would ask the question I say this, “Go away. You aren’t smart enough for me to talk to you.” PBS? The Discovery Channel? The Internet? Wait…wait…I got it…ready? Ready? Brace yourself…Books!!</p>
<p>Wild animals in captivity are entertainment, not education. Pretending otherwise is ludicrous. Zoos and the like exist for profit, not education. Certainly, there are conservation efforts that are supported by zoos, but I refuse to believe that kids wouldn’t be introduced to animals in such a way that they should grow up to care about their welfare if wild animals weren’t trapped and caged.</p>
<p>These animals don’t act like animals in the wild, and often they don’t even look like animals in the wild. They pace and develop other nervous tics, some dangerous to their physical health. They are often subject to changes in the environment to which they are unsuited – their cycles and rhythms are off. Without the opportunity to hunt, or be hunted, they aren’t fulfilling any evolutionary destiny or purpose either. They are bored. Taking another page from the toddler playbook, if you try to keep a bored toddler subdued for too long, you will end up maimed, or at least emotionally scarred.</p>
<p>Mother Nature will put up with a lot from us. But when she has something to say, she says it loud.</p>
<p>Note: I take my kids to the zoo. I’ve taken them to Sea World (boring and expensive). So, mommy’s a bit of a hypocrite. Mommy’s also a bit of a buzz kill, because the whole time we’re at the zoo, I’m pointing out how miserable the animals look, especially the elephants.
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<h2>&#8230;but Dan thinks&#8230;</h2>
<p><a href="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/about-dan/"><img title="about Dan" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/themes/jyis_2009/img/dan_75sq.jpg" alt="" align="left" /></a><img title="Dude, you look like your face was in your stomach.  Oh.  No shit?" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/siegfried_roy_lion.jpg" alt="Dude, you look like your face was in your stomach.  Oh.  No shit?" align="right" />It&#8217;s funny.  When we discussed our angles on this post, I was certain that for the first time, Jane and I were going to be on the same page.  We were actually. going. to agree.  I was considering calling The Guinness Book. But maybe that&#8217;s premature.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not called a Snuggling Whale.  A Happygoodtime Whale.  It&#8217;s a killer.  For prey like seals, they swim up from underneath them, wheel and swat them out of the water, into the air with their massive tails, knocking the seals unconscious; sometimes killing them with that single stroke.  Then it&#8217;s lunchtime.</p>
<p>And they know how to hunt in groups.  They are organized killers.</p>
<p>I love zoos.  We have an annual membership to our local zoo and still find time to attend one or two others.  For those that think that you can learn about the visceral experiences of life by reading about them or watching television, I&#8217;d suggest that they live pretty sheltered lives, and that thrown out into nature, those books will do little to help a person cope with dangerous encounters without real-life experience to back it up.  Unless it&#8217;s a really heavy book and you have perfect aim.</p>
<p><img title="Actual head of bear skin rug at Dan's place" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/bear_head.jpg" alt="Actual head of bear skin rug at Dan's place" align="right" />In my basement I have a beautiful bearskin rug I got from my father, a bear he killed while out in the woods, hunting.  He hadn&#8217;t been planning on it.  Wasn&#8217;t even hunting for bear.  But he was in the woods, saw a 250 pound black bear and tried his best to stay out of it&#8217;s way.  And he did, right up until it smelled him, or smelled his prospective next meal, turned and charged at my father.</p>
<p>Tiny black eyes, enormous head, mouth agape, slobber dripping in anticipation as he lumbered toward my father.</p>
<p>Kill or be killed.  Right there.  My father raised his rifle, drew a bead and placed a slug between the bear&#8217;s eyes, dropping his would-be killer.  There&#8217;s absolutely no way a book or a made-for-television movie can convey that pants-filling experience.  But being able to see a live animal in a less-than-natural habitat can at least expose us, our kids, to the size and majesty and strength and potential danger of these animals.</p>
<p>I want to make sure this stays focused &#8211; this post isn&#8217;t about how terrible it is that animals are in captivity.  At least that&#8217;s not what Jane and I discussed before we started writing.  This post is about the arrogance, naivete and even stupidity of intentionally courting danger with animals that can kill.</p>
<p><img title="There's only one thing that smells like bacon and that's the thighs of a hammy B-list actor!" src="http://janeyouignorantslut.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/treadwell_bacon.jpg" alt="There's only one thing that smells like bacon and that's the thighs of a hammy B-list actor!" align="right" />Like the actor who thought he he could show the world how humane and lovable wild bears are, by embedding himself in their habitat, talking in falsetto to them, and then oops.  Getting too close when food was scarce.  Turns out that B-list actors are delicious.</p>
<p>Or Seigfried and Roy.  &#8220;She was just trying to protect him.&#8221;  Right.  From not getting his head bitten off?</p>
<p>Or the three drunk guys in the Siberian zoo who decided to taunt the bears.  And then one fell into the bear pit.  Did you know whiskey makes an excellent marinade?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t get the feel for rapelling down the side of a cliff, your stomach leaping into your throat, your bladder almost emptying as you look down, without actually strapping on the harness, leaning over that cliff, then jumping.  But you do so knowing that if the rope is frayed, the harness unsecure or your technique is poor, you might plunge straight down to the rocks below.</p>
<p>So yes, it&#8217;s sad that that trainer lost her life to that killer whale.  But as Jane and I said to each other in our post-planning meeting, &#8220;What&#8217;d you expect?&#8221;
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