Naked Parenting
March 30th, 201011 comments Posted in Parenting
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My son is eight and prefers showers to baths. My daughter is six and takes about a month and a half in the tub, so often showering is more expedient and leaves us time for some other trivialities – like eating meals and occasionally leaving the house. I loved giving my babies baths when they were, well, babies, but now it’s just a pain in the ass, so I’m perfectly happy for them to shower instead. The only hitch in this is that they are both terrible at thoroughly washing and rinsing their hair. My kids have a lot of hair. Well, my son does anyway. Think Troy Polamolu, but blond. And 61 pounds. And without nearly that much hair.
So instead of reaching in and scrubbing heads and getting good and soaked anyway, and because we’re always short on time, a few times a week my husband or I ends up showering with one of the kids. Except for the one time when my son was about 2, pointed to my crotch and said, “Uh oh. It broken,” (thus proving once and for all that men are hardwired to assume that the penis is of central importance and the source of power to be guarded and protected at all costs) neither of them has ever said or done anything to make any of the four of us uncomfortable about our nakedness in the shower. I wasn’t exactly thrilled when my daughter pointed out that I was fatter than her father, but I can’t really blame her for being an observant little shit girl, now can I? Yes. Yes I can. I will hold it against her until she is 17 and on her way out the door to the junior prom and then seek revenge in a way that only a mother can.
I mentioned something like “we were talking while we were in the shower and…” the other day and a friend of mine almost fell off her chair. She was semi-cool enough not to say anything judgmental but was clearly rattled by the thought of my husband showering with his six year old daughter or me showering with my eight year old son. Hmmm…and then I was forced to think about whether this is OK or not. Which I resent, because thinking is hard and makes my head hurt and takes time away from more important activities like trying to decide if I like the edges of brownies better and therefore should buy one of those weird shaped brownie pans or if I like the middle better, especially when it’s a little undercooked and smushy.
I did what any self-respecting parent would do, asked a bunch of women who were drinking margaritas and eating tater tots and wearing bowling shoes what they thought about parents bathing with their non-infant kids. One woman out of the ten said it creeped her out and she’d never done it. Everybody else sort of shrugged and said, “I dunno? Does it seem weird?” And the one whose kids I know the best so I can attest to how normal and cool and fun and smart and well-adjusted they are said that she’d wondered the same thing and asked around, too. The response she got made perfect sense: The kids will let you know when it’s weird.
Sometimes you ask for advice and the advice you get seems sort of kind of OK but doesn’t really fit. This advice clicked into place in a very satisfying way. It felt right and got to why I don’t think it’s a big deal to be naked around my kids. Nudity does not equal sex. Nudity does not even equal sexuality. Assuming the connection of the two on my kids’ behalf is weird. Like all obscenity trials have demonstrated, obscenity or indecency is in the eye of the beholder. And nobody here is beholding anything obscene or indecent. We’re just showering. And showering is something you do naked. And naked is the way we all are under our clothes.
I reckon my kids will develop their own body image and self-concept issues without me adding the burden of making their bodies secret or potentially shameful. In the meantime, at least everybody is clean.
(By lexicographers construed
As synonyms that should express
The same deficiency of dress
Or shelter) stand as wide apart
As love from lies, or truth from art.
Lovers without reproach will gaze
On bodies naked and ablaze;
The Hippocratic eye will see
In nakedness, anatomy;
And naked shines the Goddess when
She mounts her lion among men.
The nude are bold, the nude are sly
To hold each treasonable eye.
While draping by a showman’s trick
Their dishabille in rhetoric,
They grin a mock-religious grin
Of scorn at those of naked skin.
The naked, therefore, who compete
Against the nude may know defeat;
Yet when they both together tread
The briary pastures of the dead,
By Gorgons with long whips pursued,
How naked go the sometime nude!
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Dan, why are those people wearing shoes and boots with their fuzzy naked jumpers? THAT is weird.
And? My kids are six and eight. (Opposite of Jane’s in sex-age match.) Occassionally we shower together, same sex ways, when we’re short on time or there’s sand in someone’s hair.
Both my husband and I are naked in front of our kids at one time or another in any given day because they haven’t invented kid proof dooors for our bathrooms yet. I didn’t mind until my son said, “mom? these are the boobs” and pointed to his testicles. That he thought those dangly bits resembled my tits was really quite depressing.
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As a nonparent, I feel like I shouldn’t comment on this issue. My one dog once tried to get into the tub with me and my husband and I thought THAT was weird.
This does remind me of a funny story I was telling my friends about this guy at work (I shall call him W) who has a crush on me. It started with “B and I were in the shower and we were talking about W…” to which my friends said “Why would you be talking about this guy while in the shower naked with your husband?”
My point – we all do weird things while naked in the shower. To each their own.
Dan’s family participates in nude trick-or-treating? Now *that’s* a treat.
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Streaking, maybe. No, I thought this SFW image of a daughter checking out her dad’s junk would put this into perspective (hover cursor over pic).
And can someone take a mower to mom’s underbrush, please?
Wow, Dan, I didn’t even pick up on that until you mentioned it. There are no words…
I come from a family that was very open about nudity, and there was nothing sexy about it. Mom never touched dad or vice versa in front of the kids. We didn’t lounge naked, but showering together was normal, and dressing in front of one another was completely normal. We all slept naked in our own beds. The door wasn’t always closed when someone went to the bathroom and if one of us was showering, it was totally okay for another one to use the toilet or brush our teeth.
When the kids were uncomfortable with it, it stopped.
When mom and dad split (totally unrelated to the nakedness, I assume) and got re-coupled, this openness did NOT continue in front of the step families.
I grew up to be seemingly normal. Right? Right?
Is this thing on?
Why am I only hearing crickets?
My husband, however, has never even seen his mother in her underpants. Hardly ever even seen her in a swimsuit.
Granted, he comes from a family where the parents are/were grossly overweight (oh, and Catholic), so that may be a part of it. Shame, maybe? I guess people can just be modest. The whole thing struck me as silly. So foreign.
They LOCK the door to go to the bathroom or change clothes. Even when my son is there, even when he was a newborn.
So what do we do with our kid? We’ve met in the middle. Jake hates showers, so he bathes. Alone. But he sees us naked all the time. He knows I have a vagina. He knows what it looks like. From the outside. It’s not like I’ve peeled it open and showed him the specs. He is familiar with my breasts. I let him look when I’m getting dressed. I hurry to get my clothes on, but I don’t rush. I never let him touch, but he’s allowed to ask questions (why do you have hair on your vagina? because I’m too damned lazy to shave it off, dear. -or- it’s kind of like a mustache. when you get older you get mustaches all over your body. over your genitals, in your armpits, everywhere.)
I know he will be uncomfortable one day, and probably soon. He’s already weirded out about me seeing his scrotum. Of all things.
On the other hand, I’ve worked with sex offenders and I get touchy about this stuff, so I know the sad truth that lots of times mommies and daddies are the ones who are molesting the children and the shower is hot spot number one for doing it.
Often times the other parent has no idea that it’s the spouse who is doing it. So when dad or mom wants to drag junior or missy in the shower each day to save time, a red flag might should (”might should”, types the girl who grew up running naked with her family on the skirts of Appalachia but feels that she is normal) go up if there is any inkling of behavior changes in the children.
So how do I feel about it?
Nakedness is beautiful. And natural. And normal.
When everyone is comfortable with it.
When one child or one adult becomes uncomfortable, it stops. Immediately.
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What a great idea for a site, guys! As far as the naked showering goes, I just kind of evolved out of it around the time my son was 6, and my wife stopped when he was about 4 I think. But if I had to figure out a “rule” I’d say that once the child is aware of genitals as a sexual organ (birds and bees talk), then that would make sense. Because when sex makes sense, then the concept of privacy and discretion make a little more sense to a kid. Before that, genitals are just funny things and we pee out of.
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Jane, I think you channeled Ann Gaillard here. Well done. Comfort with nakedness is good. And that comes from the parents (to see their comfort level). I think about how many one night stands I could have avoided if I just thought my body was beautiful to begin with…would have saved me a lot of worry about STD’s. To feel comfortable in your own skin is a tough thing to acquire. I just know that when my husband walks around here naked, it’s as if he owns this place. Oh, that’s right, he does. But really, I hope he’s teaching our children that they shouldn’t feel ashamed of their nakedness.
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So this was the topic of my first published piece on Babble a few years ago. At the time my kids were about the same age as Jane and I was right where she was. Naked. Some of the haters on the Babble website suggested that I should be arrested for allowing my kids to see me naked. Nice, right? But the ones who made the most sense were the ones who pointed out that “nudity and sexuality are two entirely different things”. And I agree. We are completely oversensitized because we hear these horrible stories about abuses. As I said in the article — it’s one thing not to trust other people – its another thing not to trust yourself. I’m with Jane on this one.
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We shower with our kids. Big freaking deal. This topic came up the other day at a totally unrelated meeting and I said something like, “Yeah. I guess since he’s 7 I should stop showering with him.” and the other moms were all, “Why?” and then I realized that the kid in question doesn’t know where his own butt is and can’t say any body part words. What do I have to worry about?
My 9yo, though, doesn’t shower with me and hasn’t in a few years. Ever since he began to get embarassed. We’ve always been open about it. But the husband still gets in with BOTH boys and quite often. It’s a total time saver.
Eventually they will do it themselves. For now, it’s convenient to do it our way. We aren’t pedophiles and they aren’t going to be ax murders for it. Heck, I was ten before my parents stopped putting multiple younger siblings in with me.
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